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Skiing Palmyra Peak

February 16, 2008

Hi Folks,

I had the pleasure of climbing and skiing Palmyra Peak for the first time today. Wow, what an incredible experience!

First off, I'd like to point out that this is not a place for anyone who is not in excellent shape and prepared for some exposed climbing/mountaineering. Once you start climbing beyond Mountain Quail (top of Black Iron Bowl), you're committed to a very strenuous climb to the summit at 13,320 feet - you really shouldn't turn around and walk downhill after you've started because of the pitch and footing. 

If you're thinking of going, you should go with someone who has been up there before, carry a transceiver, shovel, water, snacks, extra clothing, and ideally have rubber soled alpine climbing boots as opposed to hard plastic ski boots. Also, a backpack which allows you to tie your skis or snowboard on and carry all your extra gear is essential. This allows you to hold your poles in your hands for balance and stability. I can't imagine carrying skis on your shoulder for this climb.

There are places you will be walking on loose, unconsolidated, rock and even doing the Spiderman thing down on all fours over rock. It took me about 90 minutes to get to the summit from the top of Chair 12. The climb is a little over 1,500 vertical feet.

This morning the weather was perfect. Approaching the peak starts at the top of Chair 12 and the easy part follows Prospect Ridge coming up the right side of this picture. It then gets steep for the last 60 minutes after you pass Mountain Quail:

From the top of Chair 12, this is the task before you, should you decide to go:

This is near the top. You can see other climbers below. There were a fair number of people going up today:

Here's a picture of your's truly just to eliminate any doubt that I actually made it :)

Here's Keith Renke - veteran Telluride Ski Patroller (and super nice guy). Keith was kind enough to show me some incredible routes of uncut deep pow on the decent. I really would like to thank everyone in the ski patrol department who have worked so hard to make this new terrain safe and available for our skiers and snowboarders. The opening of Palmyra Peak this season is a huge deal in the world of in-bounds/hike-to skiing and they should all be very proud of their excellent work. Helitrax (the only heliski company in Colorado) is also to be thanked as they helped haul heavy supplies up with their helicopter and perform avalanche control work earlier in the season:

Did you notice in the picture above that the gentleman on the left has two pairs of skis on his pack? That is because his 12 year old son, Jordan, made the climb also. Here is a picture of Jordan G. from California bagging the peak. You've got to wonder how many pre-teens have done this! Also, he's a telemark skier to boot - very impressive:

Here is another picture of the father / son team approaching the peak. Good job Jordan!

The views at the top are breathtaking (literally). Here is a picture looking down at Gold Hill:

Looking to the north:

This picture was taken about 1/3rd of the way down the northeast face. It's steeper and longer than this picture reflects. One thing that surprised me is that the chutes are wider than they look from down below:

This is near the top of the decent looking back uphill. The big rock spires are awesome. The snow was deep as it loads in from wind transport from the other side of the peak:

Down in the basin, you can see some avalanche debris from the patrol's earlier work:

This gives you an idea of the terrain off the top of the peak down into the basin below. Very impressive ski terrain...

There is really only one place left to explore after the experience of skiing Palmyra Peak:

Feel free to post a comment. Just click on "comments" below, scroll down and you'll find a dialog box. We always love to hear from you! Enjoy the ski season at Telluride! - Dave

 

 

Comments

Michael N. said:

Sounds life a death run to me. Why not just go to gold hill instead of taking 1 hour and a half to get to the top of Palmyra Peak. Im not being crude but i am not going up until a lift comes. Where they were climbing looked pretty intense. When climbing that I really hope people use caution and know their skiing ability. If your not sure try yourself out on Gold to make sure your ability is ready and Baldy to make sure you can climb. This is not a joke people use caution.

Dave's reply: Hi Michael,  I'm not sure why you're recommending people to start by climbing Gold Hill - all that provides is a gate into the backcountry which takes you into Bear Creek Preserve which means you're skiing all the way down into Telluride. It's not controlled for avalanche and has several cliff bands and terrain traps..

Starting your hike-to skiing at Telluride includes graduating from Baldy and a double masters degree on all of Black Iron Bowl. Palmyra is a doctorate. Nobody should go for Palmyra without doing the necessary homework, practicing, and preparing. But - Baldy, Black Iron Bowl, and Palmyra all receive avalanche control as these are in-bounds areas.

# February 16, 2008 8:25 PM

EJ said:

Hiked two palmyras today and it was sooo good.  Getting first tracks from the peak was amazing.  So excited to finally be able to ski the terrain again that has been closed since the new lifts went in.  Hoping someday that everything on gold hill will be open as well!

Dave's reply: Hi EJ, Two laps and first tracks, nice. Regarding the west side of Gold Hill back into Prospect Basin - one step at a time. I can imagine it someday in the future though.

# February 16, 2008 8:58 PM

Chris Carberry said:

Great to see you up there!

I realize it is Year 1 again for this terrain - but after 270" of snow, Palmyra could have been opened sooner.

Would you care to give any idea/clue when Telluride might open this terrain typically?

Dave's reply: Hi Chris, hard to say. The patrol has learned a great deal which will be applied to be more efficient in opening the area in future seasons. Lots of things had to be done this year that took extra time as it was the first season. For example, the boundary line install work was extensive.

# February 17, 2008 2:37 PM

Rich said:

Great vision and follow through, well on our way to being "unmatched".  Thanks to you and a fantastic patrol effort - Rich

Dave's reply: Hi Rich, thanks for the kind comments!

# February 17, 2008 3:44 PM

San Miguel SAR member said:

Its great to see that you are out there, managing by walking around (or up as the case may be)!

Obviously the job of rescuing an injured person would be difficult on Palmyra.  That coupled with the potential addition of a lift in Revelation bowl means people will be faced with some more personal decisions to make when they are "up there".

This post probably belongs in the Revelation Bowl section, but Palmyra got me thinking about it;

Do you feel that dropping people at the gate to Bear Creek could improve their chances of making poor decisions? (since, "dude, its right there and looks so good")

I understand that for Bear Cr. there is a gate and leaving the gate is a choice for the individual. How do you balance the individual's choice with the social responsibility of putting more people in a position where it would be easier to drop in to something that they may not be ready for?  My point being we all make bad decisions (myself included!). However we may make more bad ones if we are handed the opportunities to do so.

Its great that you have alreday advised people to bring beacon/shovel/probe/food/water etc. for Palmyra.

The new terrain is great, big props to all who made it happen!  

Dave's reply: I'm a strong advocate of personal responsibility. Most resorts in the rockies and out west have gone to an open gate policy.

Glad you're enjoying the new terrain!

# February 17, 2008 5:00 PM

Mike Munno said:

Hi Dave,

Just wanted to thank you and ski patrol for getting the terrain open. Now that the peak is open it gives Telluride a vertical drop of over 4500 feet(more then Jackson if im not mistaken)

My one suggestion for next year would be more flip signs(open-closed) like the ones that you have installed on top of prospect. Now that our ski resort has many differnt zones that can be closed or opened depending on conditions, would make these signs invaluble and take pressure off of ski patrol who gets sick of answering questions about is Gold hill open .  One mountain that I know of that uses these signs is Alta. Just makes life easier for everyone including the lifties and patrol.

Thanks again

Mike Munno

Dave's reply: Hi Mike. Thanks for the suggestion. I'm all for better ways to communicate - low tech or high tech.

# February 17, 2008 5:52 PM

LJ said:

Anyone who would state that the Peak should have been opened sooner has no concept of the man-hours, energy, equipment, bombs, etc. that went into getting it opened.  Not to mention the 90+ mile an hour wind gusts that occasionally accompanied the 270+ inches of snow.

Dave's reply: Hi LJ. That's true but there were some things that held us up this season. For example, the avalauncher at the top of Gold Hill had to be flown down, repaired, and flown back up again. Now that it's working, it will certainly help after storms. Mobilizing the equipment. Building the boundaries, etc. The storms have been relentless though this season - which has been great!

# February 17, 2008 9:32 PM

Pete said:

Dave,

Got back this past Thursday after a week of skiing in Telluride.  We miss it so much.  What a wonderful place to ski and spend a vacation.  My girlfriend and I had a great time!  I wanted to climb Palmyra's Peak but never ended up doing it (maybe next year).

Anyway, still enjoying our sun tanned faces from eating lunch on Gorrono's beach chairs. Complements to the resort staff, everyone was more than helpful and kind everywhere we went!

Love the terrain off of Chair 9!  Finally know what all the fuss/debate is about regarding chair 9.  Regardless, I think that lift services some of the best runs at the resort.

See you again next year!

Thanks Dave,

Pete - Midland, MI. via Chicago

Dave's reply: Hi Pete, Thank you for visiting Telluride and for your post. It's especially nice of you to compliment the staff. There are so many folks who really care about creating a great experinece for our guests and they love to hear positive feedback. Hope to see you back again soon!

# February 18, 2008 9:35 AM

loco local said:

Dave super props on the personal resposabilityys and open boundary policy:)wow! did i spell that right???

Dave's reply: Not quite right on the spelling :) Remember, we have not changed any policies - you still have to go through the designated backcountry gates. Thank you.

# February 18, 2008 2:10 PM

Erik said:

I'll be in Telluride in 2 weeks with 15 other guys from the East Coast and several of us are interested in hiking Palmyra.  However, because none of us have usual access to avalanche inclined terrain we don't have beacons or shovels.  Are those available for rent?  Also thanks for mentioning a proposed build up to Palmyra, i.e. Baldy, Black Iron first.  I've hiked and skied some backcountry style terrain at other western resorts and this looks like its some of the best, can't wait to see it!

Erik (Boston, MA)

Dave's reply: Hi Erik, thanks for choosing Telluride for your vacation. You won't be disappointed - Telluride is simply the best ski resort on the planet IMHO! Regarding Palmyra Peak, I think we need to talk a little more about the needs of your group. Why don't you send me your email address and we'll figure this out. My email address is driley@tellurideskiresort.com Thanks!

# February 18, 2008 8:13 PM

Sam said:

www.youtube.com/watch

Here's a video from up top if anyone is interested.

Dave's reply: How cool - I love it Sam - thanks! For those interested. Go to www.Youtube/watch  and type in Palmyra Peak in the search box to get Sam's video. It's pretty fun :)

# February 18, 2008 9:34 PM

Mohr Wehbkaams said:

Once again, thanks for opening all you have this season, it's making for an epic year and many to come. This terrain elevates the telluride ski area to an even higher level, not that it came close to sucking before. Props to Ski Patrol for all their hard work and as much as I want to get on the steeps quick, take your time in controlling stuff because I'd rather not get caught in a slide. Props of course to the lift mechanics. Last but not least, props to everyone else who's making the area better, I really mean it.

I like the new way of doing the mazes with the ski school line, it makes way more sense and eliminates the grumbling about using the wrong lane.

Mike Munno had a good point about putting up signs around the mountain indicating hike to closure status. Taking it one step further, how about a webcam sitting where the ski patrol dispatch is and focus it clearly on a sign with sliding open/closed signs just like the one on the way up prospect. The dispatcher could easily just slide the sign for the appropriate area from closed to open and if the webcam updates every five minutes or so, it would be a good low/high tech way to be informed almost instantly on what's going on up there. Doing this would eliminate the need to update the website with the information taking one more person out of the equation and saving that much more time. This way we could all comfortably sit at home (or work) and enjoy a cup of coffee after getting everything ready, then beeline it to the hill when your jonesed upon area opens up.

By the way, what happened to the webcam in the Camels Garden?

Thank you for the time,

Mohr Wehbkaams

Dave's reply: Thanks for your kind remarks toward the staff and for your suggestions. I'm not sure what happened to the Camel's Garden cam - will ask some questions and resolve. Thanks again for the suggestion on the other cams too. Pretty neat idea.

# February 18, 2008 11:04 PM

Dave Mac said:

Thanks for opening Palmyra Peak again. Great skiing. I got to bag it a couple of times back in the last millinium. It's good to have it back!!! By the way that is my video posted on youtube. Thanks to Sam for providing the link. Also, I don't have a problem with easier access to the Gold hill BC gate. I lived in Vail for many years and the the BC gate in Game Creek Bowl was a ski up to affair. It's still up to the individual to make the proper decisions.  Cheers,

Dave's reply: Thanks for the input Dave and for the video :)

# February 19, 2008 1:45 PM

Reynolds said:

Dave,

I've been visiting Telluride almost every year since I was 11 and am now about to turn 30.  I've seen the mountain grow bigger and better every year and was really excited to hear that Palmyra Peak was opening!

My buddy Tim & I hiked the peak the same day you made the trek and were not disappointed with the conditions!  Thigh-deep pow through the steeps, then into rolling hills carvin' turns through the trees!?!  Heaven!  

The hike was more technical than I was anticipating (and I was one of the few climbers without a heli-pack for my skis... which I regretted!).  So if you're reading this and thinking about trying the hike, take the necessary gear!  The hike is straight up.)

I can't wait to get back to Telluride again next year!  (Hopefully I'll see you on the hike up to the top!)

-Ryan

(P.S. If you know of any 3 bedroom houses, in the heart of town, that are priced where they were back on my first visit... you have my email address! ha!)

Dave's reply: Hi Reynolds, Glad you enjoyed your experience at Telluride! Hope to see you again soon on the slopes of Palmyra. It is truly an incredible in-bounds place.

# February 19, 2008 6:11 PM

Fritz said:

Just got word that I am coming in mid-March. Can't wait to see the slopes. I bet its much better than the other years. Hey is it looking like another record snow month? I hope that it does not get like 50 degree's like last year icey and slushy. My dad broke his thumb in the ice on Ute Park. We hope it does not get that hot. Love the blog keep them coming. Yours always Fritz.

Dave's reply: That was unusual last year to have a Colorado thaw like that. The odds are on our side for a great March. Have a wonderful vacation Fritz!

# February 19, 2008 9:52 PM

Andy R said:

Nice one Dave.

Having Skied Telluride a couple of times I know where your coming from,respect is due on the climb and a well written blog

Keep up the good work, its a tough job.....

Regards

Andy

Dave's reply: Thanks Andy. Enjoy the ski season!

# February 20, 2008 10:59 AM

Jill Murphy Long said:

Hi Dave,

Great blog--makes me want to drive down again from Steamboat and now ski your new peak. Am writing the fictional book, Skiing with God, and want to reference a steep slope like you offer at Telluride, but want to get my facts correct. What would be your steepest slope (need degrees too) please?

Thanks!

Jill

Dave's reply: Hi Jill, I asked Jeff Proteau and he said:

Based on our Avalanche technical report La Rosa has the steepest pitch.  52 degrees at the starting zone and 42 degrees at the track.  However, right now with the cornice the top is steeper in excess of 60 degrees.
# February 20, 2008 1:03 PM

Community? said:

Dave,

What happened to the Annual Carboard Derby?  It's on the town calender but not on the resort calendar. I'm assuming it's still a go and y'all just missed it on the calendar.  It's a great event for our kids when we're visiting.  

Dave's reply: we cancelled it for a variety of operational and liability reasons. Sorry.

# February 20, 2008 3:44 PM

Richard Faise said:

Re: Annual Cardboard Derby

The rumor on the street is YOU cancelled it, Dave, because the ski company couldn't figure out a way to make money on the deal. Not unlike the Donation Day. And what's the status of the RedBall Express? This is a real ski community, Dave, (not purely a destination resort, which is more in keeping with your background) that relies on fundraising events to keep the real community together.

Gimme some truth. All I want is the truth. Thank you.

Dave's reply: Hi Richard, I'm not sure where you get your information..

I cancelled the cardbox race after talking with an attorney in Denver who has/is defended several ski areas from claims brought from cardboard box races. Putting several people in a homemade craft and sending them downhill is too great a risk given the case law out there now.

RebBall Express is happening as far as I know.

I realize Telluride is a real ski community and enjoy that aspect of this great place.

# February 23, 2008 9:11 AM

sds said:

Dave

All your pics and reports make me disappointed to have to go to Bend for a week!!

The You Tube video was great and there were more of powder skiing down Bear Cr. canyon I think--awesome!!

Dave's reply: Hi SDS. Send me your email address please.

# February 23, 2008 10:35 AM

Guy said:

 It seems like advanced and expert skiiers get all the new terrain but you are not commited to making new intermediate and beginner runs at your resort.  There are many places to expand but you only choose to give advanced and experts places to go.  The only place for intermediates is 12,4,5, and expert/advanced is 14,8,9,7, Black Iron Bowl, Palmyra Peak, Baldy and Confidence, La Rosa etc. and not including how many runs are off of 9 its like 20 runs compared to 7 runs on 5.  Come on give us intermediates places to go before we can ski the hard stuff. Thanks Guy.

Dave's reply: Hi Guy, I like carving on intermediate terrain as much as anything! Actually, if you don't count the hike-to terrain, Telluride has 24% beginner, 38% intermediate, and 38% advanced/expert. That's a pretty good break down.

See Forever to Woozley's Way provides a nice intermediate run off of Chair 14 and See Forever to Lookout provides a nice intermediate run off of Chair 9. Woozley's Way to Lower Happy Thought provides a nice intermediate run off Chair 6. As you mentioned, Chairs 12, 4, and 5 have acres and acres of intermediate runs groomed to perfection. Telluride has lots of great intermediate terrain!

# February 23, 2008 11:39 AM

Simon Davis said:

We'd heard rumours that Palmyra may be open so we got a flight into Denver from London on the 8th Feb and acclimatised in Vail/Beaver and a couple of runs up the Highland Bowl in Aspen on the way over.

We hit Teluride the day Palmyra opened, the 12th, but decided we needed another day so got first lift up 8 on the Wednesday.

For people living at 0 ft above sea level the climb was tough but first the view and then the ski made it all worthwhile. It must be some of the best 'open' hike to terrain anywhere in my experience. We cut off to ski-ers right and came down the little chute underneath the peak...Wonderful. Well woth the trip!

First Brit's up Palmyra in the open era?

Dave's reply: I'll bet your right! Congratulations!

# February 25, 2008 9:08 AM

kj said:

Speaking of intermediate terrain, when the mountain is busy there can a bottle neck at the top of Stella (where skiers and boarders stop to assess Stella and wait for their buddies) and this blocks the way to the cat track immediately beyond Stella.  Also, it can be difficult to cross the Magnolia headwall where the cat track enters when skiers and especially boarders are blasting past and the hill is full of push piles.  Can you create any way to access Sandia and lower Magnolia at a better place?

Dave's reply: That's an interesting question. I'll ski by and take a look. Thanks jk.

# February 25, 2008 10:56 AM

Ed said:

Hi Dave, I am coming out there in a couple weeks with a few of my riding buddies.  I've enjoyed your posts on here and was wondering if there are any guides written up detailing the hike to areas or reccomendations on terrain to ride.  We've all been riding for about 15 years and just looking to get the most out of our week there.  If anything like that exists and you could point me in the right direction that would be great.

Thanks, can't waot to get out there.

Ed

Dave's reply: Thanks for choosing Telluride for your vacation. I honestly don't know of a written guide for the hike-to areas. Black Iron Blow and Palmyra Peak are new areas so we have not developed anything like that yet. There are basically 3 hike-to areas in bounds: Bald Mtn., Black Iron Bowl, and Palmyra Peak. Talking with patrol at the headquarters under the High Camp Warming hut is a good idea to get details (they have some good aerial photos/maps there) and/or hooking up with a friendly local. I recommend going with someone who has been there before on your first trip. All 3 areas are expert skiiing only. Thanks Ed.

# February 25, 2008 11:27 AM

Craigq said:

Dave-

I'll second KJ's comment about the bottle neck. There is a real mix of different skill levels converging in that area. I'd be interested in your take on it.

Dave's reply: Thanks Craig. I'll look at it.

# February 25, 2008 4:58 PM

Rupert said:

Hi Dave,

First off, I think the blog is excellent. Impressive how you re so available for comments etc. My brother and I from Scotland are coming for a 2 week holiday on Saturday with a group of friends. It looks just amazing and we can barely contain ourselves!

Anyway, we are quite experienced skiers with backcountry experience/eqpt etc and wondered if any locals would be available to show us some good runs/terrain? Obviously we would be happy to buy them lunch and couple beers afterwards! We would also be keen to hire a guide for a day or two but thought some locals could give us a heads up first if possible.

Thanks and looking forward to arriving in Telluride.

Rupert

Dave's reply: Hi Rupert, Thanks for choosing Telluride for your vacation  - you'll love it here.

We're going to roll out a guide product for Palmyra Peak in the next day or two stay tuned!

We'll make sure you get up there if you're up for it! Feel free to contact me directly at driley@tellurideskiresort.com if you need anything to make your vacation the best.

# February 26, 2008 6:16 AM

Guy said:

I don't think you understand what I am saying.  I said we need to build more intermediate runs also not just advanced and expert like you are doing now.  Maybe expand below the gondola were all that great skiing land is.  I know you try to make it even but your not.  There is not even a bunny hill there.  Meadows and Peaks are hard for beginners and Ute Park you have to go down Double Cabins which is much harder then Meadows.  I can't ski Palmyra Peak yet and now your thinking of expanding into the San Joucim bowl and all of that is expert/advanced.  I like how you mentioned that its a great breakdown not including the hike to terrain but there are 20 hike to runs.  Dave I am going somewhere else next time its all revovled around our "expert/advanced skiiers" and they get all the new fun terrain but are you building more intermediate runs in the future. I think not. Enjoy Telluride diamond skiiers.

Dave's reply: Hi Guy, I've got the perfect solution for you! Ride the Chondola down to the bottom by Big Billies. Get on Chair 10 and connect with Chair 11 - Ute Park for beautiful beginner runs at the upper mountain with all the views and wide open flat trails. Then when you're ready to go, ride DOWN lift 10 (they will allow you to do that) back to Big Billies and then ride the Chondola back up to the Village! It's great!

# February 26, 2008 7:51 AM

ANGELA said:

Hi, my husband and i will be in telluride next week and he has really been looking forward to skiing Palmyra Peak .....i read your blog about anyone going up there for the first time should go with someone who has been up there.  Do you have any suggestions for where he might hook up with a local or some one who has done this climb/hike?

Thank-you,

Angela

Dave's reply: Hi Angela. The Ski School is developing a Palmyra guide service. We'll be putting in on the website very soon. Stay tuned!

# February 26, 2008 12:02 PM

Rich said:

Dave -

Just wanted to thank you for doing this blog.  Bringing a group of 20 out there from Jersey for a week on Saturday and the blog has been good for insider info.  

Palmyra is probably over my head, but I'm sure there are some in my group who will give it a try.  

Conditions look awesome.  

Ski ya!

Dave's reply: Hi Rich, Thanks for choosing Telluride for your vacation - I'm sure you'll love it!

# February 27, 2008 1:41 PM

Joe C. said:

First off I'd like to state that your discount program at the telluride ski resort is a joke.  The T-card is worthless.  It has way too many barriers to either optain or have access to obtain the card. As ski lift tickets grow in price the further you alienate the regional market.  Why not sell discounted tickets in GJ, Gunnison, Montrose, and Durango at City Markets?  They do for the I-70 resorts just fine.  After all without the surrounding communities support and services Telluride would NOT be a world class ski resort.  Likewise, why not partner with surrounding resorts and have season passes include several days at other resorts? Just starting to wonder why Telluride continues to separate itself from it's neighboring skiers and boarders without any second thoughts.

Dave's reply: Hi Joe. We do value our regional customers. Telluride Ski Resort is not a "mass market" high-volume resort - and we really don't want to mirror the business strategy of the front-range resorts. Our intent is to offer an uncrowded and exceptional ski experience. We could slash the prices and pack the slopes but to be honest that is not our plan. Thank you for providing your input.

# February 27, 2008 4:46 PM

Rob said:

Hi Dave,

 Are there any tables on the mountain for picnics?

Thanks

Dave's reply: Hi Rob, My most favorite place is High Camp Warming Hut. There are picnic tables out front and an incredible view.

# February 28, 2008 1:22 AM

Gal said:

Hey Guy,  Why do you want more intermediate runs when the beginner runs are too difficult for you as you said in your last post.  By the way 4 of the last 5 lifts installed, 10,11,12,13, have opened hundreds of acres for the beginner and intermediate ridders, almost entirely dedicated to them.  And lift 14 made it possible for the intermediate to access the highest point on the mountain with an easy and always groomed way back down. The ski area seems very dedicated to build beginner and intermediate runs.  

Gal  

Dave's reply: Thanks for the further information for Guy's questions above.

# February 28, 2008 10:23 AM

Greg B. said:

Dave - great blog.  It is refreshing for someone in a leadership position to provide such a high level of transparency.  

My first visit to Telluride was in 1980 as a 12 year old.  I had a great experience back then.  I finally came back 3 years ago and was amazed at the changes, but fell in love with Telluride.  I have skied all over North America and Telluride has that "secret sauce" that other places do not have.  I was in Whistler a couple of weeks ago and while the skiing was great, I never felt "connected" to the place like I have when I have visited Telluride.  Whistler and other areas like it have that "mass production" feeling to it - its hard to tell the place from other large destination resorts (and that seems to be the trend as more resorts build their development - the McResort approach!!).  

At Telluride, I have always felt I am visiting and part of a one-of-a-kind experience.  My hope is that you will continue to nurture this aspect that sets Telluride apart and not try to turn it into another (insert generic resort name here).  From reading your blogs, I get the impression that your intent is to preserve and nurture the Telluride "experience."

I will be visiting the third week of March this year and will be bringing my girlfriend - this will be her first time skiing.  She is looking forward to the ski school program and learning how to ski.  Also, because I feel that Telluride is such a special place, I plan to propose while we are there (any suggestions on a pretty, romantic spot to pop the question?).  

Thanks Dave!

Greg

Dave's reply: What a great idea! Congratulations! There are so many scenic places it's hard to choose. Top of Baldy, top of Chair 12, top of Chair 14, top of Gold Hill, top of Palmyra =) and the top of Andy's Gold are some of my favorites.

# February 28, 2008 10:31 AM

alexander said:

Hey,

The last couple days ive noticed that you guys are building something up by the entrance to Hoot's Park.

It is a tall pole that looks to be something that could be a tow rope.

I was just wondering if i was close to right?

Is the park and pipe getting a tow-rope?

Dave's reply: It's a memorial for Hoot.

# February 28, 2008 1:35 PM

Guy said:

Hey Gal, I am just telling Dave that there is not a bunny slope, I myself am intermediate to single diamond but my kids are beginers. I am just saying that the new expansion like baldy, b.i.b, Palmyra Peak and now the San Jouchim bowl are all advanced/expert and those are even more recent then 11,12,13,14 and anyways Gal Lift 13 is a freakin ropetow it just makes it so you can get to the top of 11 and 10 is an old lift it was made in 1986. If you don't belive me check coloradoskihistory.com check lifts and scroll to telluride. Just because you seem like you are an expert/advanced skiier does not mean you can get all the new terrain and completly let us down. I bet next is going to be bear creek and then Wilson's Peak and then more peaks and the intermediates and beginers can't ski any of it. Experts can ski intermediates/beginers but we can't ski expert.

Now Dave I have a few questions for you.

1. Will there be any blues or single diamonds in San Joucim bowl?

2. Are you looking elsewere to expand?

3. Were else are you looking to expand?

4. Do you plan to make any more beginer or intermediate runs?

Dave's reply: I'm confused. Telluride has hundreds of acres of beginner runs. We do have a bunny hill - Ute Park high speed quad serves nothing but flat beginner terrain. I explained how you can up and down load to it in my last post to you.

San Joaquin Bowl is expert only. We do not have any immediate plans to expand beginner terrain.

Thank you.

# February 28, 2008 3:30 PM

western slope skier said:

Dave, thanks for having a great regional way to buy discounted lift tickets and season passes.  Maybe Joe missed it -- but it's in all the 'local' papers in the fall.  Of course, once the season starts those are no longer available and, of course, you have to buy them in person.  But if you're 'local' (entire 4-corners area) then it isn't a problem.   The discount isn't huge and you have to ski a lot to make it worth it (so if you're flying in from somewhere else for a week -- don't worry about missing out on some great deal.)  But it's something.  And definitely not a joke.  And, doesn't a Telluride pass get you some days at Taos?  Yes it does.  And the T-Card hasn't existed in a few years.   I bet it's hard to listen to complaints when they're so not factual.

Dave's reply: Thanks for the additional information :)

# February 28, 2008 8:37 PM

Expert Skier said:

Guy should try skiing at Durango Mountain Resort if he can not find easy enough terrain here.  

Dave's reply: I don't understand Guy's complaint. Telluride has great beginner and intermediate terrain... as well as advanced and expert terrain.

# February 29, 2008 7:32 PM

Centennial Skier said:

Guy--

The Telluride beginner slopes are exceptional in my opinion.  If you are truly concerned about your kids not being able to navigate them safely then my suggestion would be to sign them up for a day or two of lessons.  I put my kids (ages 4 & 6) in ski school this Christmas for 3 days and on the 4th day of our trip they skied with me on lifts 4 and 10 without a problem.  I think the goal should be to make the skier better not the mountain easier.

Just my opinion.

Dave's reply: Hi CS, Thanks for sharing your opinion with Guy. I couldn't agree more.

# March 1, 2008 10:34 AM

Jon Arthur said:

Alright Dave, its been nearly half a month since you've posted. Now, I live nearly a thousand miles aways and I kind of depend on this thing for updates and pictures. Do you think you could post a new blog soon?

Dave's reply: Working on one now ;-)

# March 1, 2008 1:35 PM

Kris said:

Guy --

I would just like to point out that the reason there are no beginner or intermediate runs on baldy, palmyra is because the terrain isn't beginner or intermediate.  You can't just put a beginner run on advanced terrain.  Besides no beginners would hike or be able to if they're very young children just to get to a beginner run.  Also no ski mountain would excavate out part of the mountain to make beginner runs in new areas that are advanced terrain.  that would be incredibly irresponsible.  The beginner terrain here is very extensive.  Also if you take lessons you eventually don't ski the beginner stuff anymore you continue to advance.  I don't know where it could be possible to expand the resort to include beginner terrain.  Based on what the forest service allows Tellurides ski boundaries to be and the actual terrain of the mountain just might not allow for beginner expansion.  If the terrain isn't beginner you can't make it beginner.

K

Dave's reply: Hi Kris, Thanks for your thoughts :)

# March 1, 2008 4:23 PM

Ex Lift Op Mike said:

Hi Dave,

Awesome winter all over the West this year!

I have followed your blog from Meadows to Telluride and can honestly say I will make it to Telluride some day, my last Colorado adventure left me broke and wiped out after finishing a 10 day trip with 2 days at Crested Butte, (I had one day left and was hoping to make it to Telluride).

I wish you had this mindset while managing Meadows.

" We could slash the prices and pack the slopes but to be honest that is not our plan. Thank you for providing your input."

Now the only vision at Meadows is too increase slope density to unsustainable levels:(

Tom Spangler has his work cut out for him, big shoes to fill. Have you met Tom before ? If so what do you think of him?

Dave's reply: Hi Mike, Nice to hear from you again.

I have met Tom. He's a very capable guy. Coming from Jackson Hole, he'll bring some ideas and new strategies to MHM. I think he'll do a fine job.

Hope you have the opportunity to visit Telluride someday. Thanks for your post!

# March 2, 2008 1:06 PM

Rick said:

Dave:

Thanks to you and the ski patrol for all the wonderful work opening Black Iron Bowl and Palmyra Peak.  It's a real treat to have all that new terrain -- and the hiking brings back memories of the days before the lifts on Gold Hill and Prospect Bowl.

I wanted to point out some minor corrections to your Palmyra Peak posting.  The 12-year old in the photos is from California, but his name is Jake, not Jordan.  And his father was there with him, but is not the guy with the skis on his back -- that's me, his uncle.  In the photo featuring Keith Renke, his father is the guy in the red jacket, just behind Keith.  I know these are minor mistakes (and easy enough to make when the air is so thin :-), but since Jake did "bag" Palmyra, I thought it would be nice if the record were corrected.

Thanks again for the new opportunities, and for the great photos.

Rick

Dave's reply: Thanks for the corrections Rick!

# March 5, 2008 1:58 PM
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